So you’re confident that that .40 caliber S&W service round will keep you safe. Maybe you’ll have second thoughts after you see this video. One hot summer night in 1994 Tempe and Mesa Arizona police were involved in a pursuit with this suspect who ran into a stranger’s apartment to hide after being shot TWICE in the chest. He was shirtless and you can see the blood pumping out of those two wounds.
What’s really frightening is just how agile this fellow is as he struts to the ambulance. If he was not handcuffed and had a knife or a gun, ask yourself if he could still hurt you, your partner or a hostage?
If your jurisdiction demands that officers carry either the 9MM or the .40 Caliber S&W it’s time to show this video to your bosses and lobby to have the .45 ACP round authorized. The switch may well reduce the screaming by self-appointed community activists about how many rounds police had to use on a suspect.
The really talented and courageous video journalist, Karen Kelly, shot this tape. Karen was always in trouble with the cops for getting too close to the action. Tapes like these exonerate cops from bogus allegations far more often than incriminating them for misconduct.
My advice to all cops dealing with photojournalists is to let them get as close to your prisoners as possible. Chasing them away is really dumb. They can well document that the suspect is not injured. Letting the news bunnies ask questions is another gift when the suspects lie or implicate themselves. Remember Miranda vs. Arizona does NOT apply to questioning by reporters. The prosecutors always love showing tapes of wisecracking or deceitful suspects to juries during trials.
A note: I edited the tape to display this suspect’s fabulous strut to the ambulance twice.
Learn from the tape and please pass it around in the interest of officer safety.
So you’re confident that that .40 caliber S&W service round will keep you safe. Maybe you’ll have second thoughts after you see this video. One hot summer night in 1994 Tempe and Mesa Arizona police were involved in a pursuit with this suspect who ran into a stranger’s apartment to hide after being shot TWICE in the chest. He was shirtless and you can see the blood pumping out of those two wounds.
What’s really frightening is just how agile this fellow is as he struts to the ambulance. If he was not handcuffed and had a knife or a gun, ask yourself if he could still hurt you, your partner or a hostage?
If your jurisdiction demands that officers carry either the 9MM or the .40 Caliber S&W it’s time to show this video to your bosses and lobby to have the .45 ACP round authorized. The switch may well reduce the screaming by self-appointed community activists about how many rounds police had to use on a suspect.
The really talented and courageous video journalist, Karen Kelly, shot this tape. Karen was always in trouble with the cops for getting too close to the action. Tapes like these exonerate cops from bogus allegations far more often than incriminating them for misconduct.
My advice to all cops dealing with photojournalists is to let them get as close to your prisoners as possible. Chasing them away is really dumb. They can well document that the suspect is not injured. Letting the news bunnies ask questions is another gift when the suspects lie or implicate themselves. Remember Miranda vs. Arizona does NOT apply to questioning by reporters. The prosecutors always love showing tapes of wisecracking or deceitful suspects to juries during trials.
A note: I edited the tape to display this suspect’s fabulous strut to the ambulance twice.
Learn from the tape and please pass it around in the interest of officer safety.
Comments
THANK YOU PAUL!
Remember it’s not about killing the anyone but quickly stopping his threat.
Just goes to show you - if you're justified in launching one round at the assailant, then launch a whole mag!
-CPD, MARQUETTE DISTRICT
sig 226 equinox owner
The key lesson to take away from this video is not to choose a different caliber --- many departments don't offer that option --- the real lesson is to shoot until the threat CEASES TO BE A THREAT.
The offender was critically wounded but survived.
He was an ex-con who was returned to prison where he is serving 25 years.
Bigger is better but officers must keep their skills up and follow their training.
I know of a case where an armed robber was shot in the heart with a .12 guage one ounce, slug and still ran 70 yards before he fell and died. So much for a magic bullet...
January 13, 2008 7:47 PM
I would say 2 rounds in the chest is adaquate depending on distance.
If this didn't do it, get more feet
per second at the muzzle! JAB
Even a 9mm with good HP can achieve this. It's about getting the round to stop suddenly in your target, that puts it down.
And as has been previously stated, if the first series doesn't put them down, give them some more!
two to the chest & ONE TO THE HEAD
"Fire 3 quick, center-of-mass, and try to keep them in the 10 inch circle around the heart and lungs. The .45 is a definite man-stopper, but trying to put that through windows or doors on vehicles, (where an officer more than likely has to shoot,) it doesn't do the job. The .40 has the muzzle-velocity to make it happen."
Are you shooting the same .45 ACP ammo I did, or have things changed so much since I switched from autos to single actions?
In my younger days I would take my mother, (yes, my Mom), out shooting in various locations. One of our favorites was an old abandoned junk car lot. We both carried .45 ACP's. Even from Mom's shorter Colt Officer's Model we got GREAT penetration through car doors and windows - even the old American steel from the '40's and 50's!
Now-a-days I carry a New Vaquero .45 Colt and rely more on the Mossberg 12ga. at home
I wish we had more cops like the guys that were in MAGNUM FORCE.
I advocate use of a flame thrower too. When someone is flaming they wont really want to fight anymore.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
for the .45 chest beaters:
http://www.theshootist.net/2009/01/one-man-got-involved-perry_12.html
Be safe out there :-)
PS.. Placement!! Now go get more training!! LEO's are by far, no exception as yes.. they are people too and are deathly afraid of guns, loosing their life, children, wives and loved ones. Huge mis conception.. law enforcement officers don't go to gun fights, everyday, however they have to go to work everyday like they are.. God Bless you all!!
-tap 1375 fps / 4"bbl
this man would have not moved after being shoot once
My H&K USP fullsize in .45 auto holds 10+1 rnds standard or 12+1 w/ hicap mag.....with that kind of firepower my Beretta 92fs w/ 15rnds of 9mm is obsolete.....AND the H&K weighs the same and is more accurate than the Beretta. Also weighs much less than a lower capacity 1911.
There is just no comparison.
Formula for kinetic energy of a bullet in foot-pounds is
bullet weight in grains x velocity squared divided by 450395.
.357 delivers a LOT more punch.
I don't buy the hype on the .45 being the all powerful bullet to end all.
There is NO magic bullet caliber out there.
It's been tested time and time again.
The myth that the .45 caliber is the one that will stop all comers is a huge one.
Using the General Julian Hatcher value system, there isn't much difference between a.45 ACP and a .40 cal.
.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1
.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7
.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4
.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4
Take note, the .40 FMJ out performs the .45 FMJ
You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power.
Anything over 55 is just adding recoil to the issue.
I'll stick with my Beretta 96 in .40 caliber loaded with 180 grain JHPs.
And if you're just wondering, .44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.3
I was involved in a shooting at Midway Airport a few years back and my weapon was a SW 4006 with 185gr Talon rounds(yeah yeah I know )
the offender was coming at me with a tomahawk and ignored several commands to drop it and stop. I fired one round,center mass from about 15 ft away. The guy STOOD THERE LOOKING AT ME. Honest to God I looked at the gun and thought it was broken. I came up for the 2nd shot and he fell,dead.
I learned later that the man was wearing 2 CPD leather jackets and a nylon windbreaker. The round that stopped him went thru and thru. But I gotta tell ya,those first 5 seconds after I shot him I honestly thought I had Bum Ammunition. (MORE)
I now carry a SW MP 40(15+1) and use Corbon Ammunition(the hottest round made unless you hand load).
I personally like .40 cal. .45 will do the job up close and will cause a gaping wound and a lot of damage. I do own 3 .45's A Sig P-220 and Colt MK4(customed by Wilson) and a Kimber Custom Combat(present to myself after 20)
If any round should be removed from service its the 9MM. It was a sad excuse by gun manufacturers to get into the semi auto market. The ONLY thing it did for you was gave you higher capacity than the old SW 686.
I will however have to say that I do like my .40 cal. given the circumstances of my shooting,it performed flawlessly.
Modern .40 S&W is usually 155 grains @ 1200 FPS, about the same as a .357 midrange load, possibly a bit better actually as its a mm larger though usually harder with a more shallow meplat
That being said the Anon who mentioned "anything can fail" is correct
Don't believe it?....take it up with Einstein