tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post114360912926717708..comments2024-03-23T08:54:02.530-07:00Comments on CRIME, GUNS, AND VIDEOTAPE: A 40 Caliber Nightmare Is Caught On Tape.Paul Huebl Crimefile Newshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07841397705805774698noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-50161001042669742232014-03-22T05:03:38.689-07:002014-03-22T05:03:38.689-07:00The reason he was able to walk was likely because ...The reason he was able to walk was likely because the bullets didn't penetrate far enough, this is what happens when your overly concerned about over-penetration. I'm betting it was a light 135-155 grain .40, take the equivalent 165-185 grain .45 (roughly the same sectional density respectively) and I guarantee you it would have done the same thing. .45 is a fine caliber, but you .45 nuts consider it a be all end all. I know of one man hit 4 times with 230-grain ball out of a full size 1911, 2 in the abdomen area and 2 in the chest, he drove himself to the hospital where they recovered all 4 slugs, one hit his small intestine, the rest missed everything in his torso and he was released from the hospital a short time later. The .45 got it's reputation fighting malnourished and dehydrated Japanese soldiers in WWII, while they may have been on drugs, bullets didn't have to penetrate much to hit their vitals and stop them. There is in fact NO discernable difference in a wound track between the 9mm, .40 and .45 except than 9mm penetrates the furthest, then .40, then .45... In it's common ball form and equal make of hollow point with equal sectional density. Carry a .45 if that's what you want, but don't expect a different result, .45s have failed a TON of times, most often because they don't penetrate very well. Why do you think the .38 Super Auto came about in the old days for 1911s? Because the .45 had a horrible time penetrating car windows and doors, much less having enough energy to do any significant damage to the target behind it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-10608192134909186692012-12-25T18:47:28.325-08:002012-12-25T18:47:28.325-08:00One to the head now you know he deadOne to the head now you know he deadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-4258151347298800612012-10-15T02:55:18.559-07:002012-10-15T02:55:18.559-07:00The Ammo you have shown are also in my stock.The <a href="http://www.gunnation.com" rel="nofollow">Ammo</a> you have shown are also in my stock.Gunshttp://www.ideamarketers.com/?articleid=3482151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-1777883226956974322012-08-28T20:37:47.268-07:002012-08-28T20:37:47.268-07:00The .357 Sig has been slow to catch on but the age...The .357 Sig has been slow to catch on but the agencies who use it have been amazed at how fast it incapacitates. The perceived recoil is less than the .40 but is a little louder..no harm there and the platform is smaller than the typical .45acp making it useable by the size spectrum of LEO these days. Force is boosted more by velocity than by mass so the scary speeds of Sig loads make them pretty formitable and practical. E=mass X velocity (2)squared<br />Don't believe it?....take it up with EinsteinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-58190853102179558412012-05-14T20:46:53.423-07:002012-05-14T20:46:53.423-07:00When I was doing training I taught the mantra &quo...When I was doing training I taught the mantra "two to the chest and one to the head assures that the suspect is dead, dead, dead". The bottom line is, a wounded perp can still kill you. Shoot to stop the threat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-48772046654550643782012-04-08T10:55:43.981-07:002012-04-08T10:55:43.981-07:00If it was the 90's likely it was the 180 grain...If it was the 90's likely it was the 180 grain subsonic load, its kind of a .45 round but a bit smaller and lighter, i.e much less effective.<br /><br />Modern .40 S&W is usually 155 grains @ 1200 FPS, about the same as a .357 midrange load, possibly a bit better actually as its a mm larger though usually harder with a more shallow meplat <br /><br />That being said the Anon who mentioned "anything can fail" is correctabprospernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-83183784544194854652012-02-03T18:05:42.600-08:002012-02-03T18:05:42.600-08:00Someone on this thread just said a .357 mag delive...Someone on this thread just said a .357 mag delivers more energy than a .45 or .40. The FBI testing and many others have shown the terminal ballistics of a .40 & 357 is the same. The kinetic energy of a .45 is much greater than a .357 & the cavity wound is much greater. This video proves nothing. Who knows where the rounds hit? Maybe not center chest. Maybe high left and right. Pick up Dave Grossman's book On Combat. Great book. A .40 will drop a bear, look it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-51409274349142845212011-09-17T05:35:14.604-07:002011-09-17T05:35:14.604-07:00More 2
I now carry a SW MP 40(15+1) and use Cor...More 2<br /><br /> I now carry a SW MP 40(15+1) and use Corbon Ammunition(the hottest round made unless you hand load).<br /><br /> I personally like .40 cal. .45 will do the job up close and will cause a gaping wound and a lot of damage. I do own 3 .45's A Sig P-220 and Colt MK4(customed by Wilson) and a Kimber Custom Combat(present to myself after 20)<br /> If any round should be removed from service its the 9MM. It was a sad excuse by gun manufacturers to get into the semi auto market. The ONLY thing it did for you was gave you higher capacity than the old SW 686.<br /><br /> I will however have to say that I do like my .40 cal. given the circumstances of my shooting,it performed flawlessly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-80773748338752578852011-09-17T05:27:17.948-07:002011-09-17T05:27:17.948-07:00Paul,
I was involved in a shooting at Midway Air...Paul,<br /><br /> I was involved in a shooting at Midway Airport a few years back and my weapon was a SW 4006 with 185gr Talon rounds(yeah yeah I know ) <br /> the offender was coming at me with a tomahawk and ignored several commands to drop it and stop. I fired one round,center mass from about 15 ft away. The guy STOOD THERE LOOKING AT ME. Honest to God I looked at the gun and thought it was broken. I came up for the 2nd shot and he fell,dead.<br /> I learned later that the man was wearing 2 CPD leather jackets and a nylon windbreaker. The round that stopped him went thru and thru. But I gotta tell ya,those first 5 seconds after I shot him I honestly thought I had Bum Ammunition. (MORE)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-54753143752506406672011-09-11T00:37:24.003-07:002011-09-11T00:37:24.003-07:00I was gutshot with a 1911 in attempted robbery her...I was gutshot with a 1911 in attempted robbery here in NYC only a couple of years ago. Despite the bullet hitting my lung and liver, I was still able to run 2 blocks from my assailant. Theres no magic bullet.elibkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07021791660936406235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-35354278956534877872011-08-31T18:38:43.036-07:002011-08-31T18:38:43.036-07:00I believe in the .45 but do this. Take any gun and...I believe in the .45 but do this. Take any gun and a .44 mag. Shoot a paper target. You will find the paper still there behind the hole except with the .44 mag. You will have a clean hole. I believe it travels at 1,480 ft. per second.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-37637647663943760522011-08-18T12:05:36.680-07:002011-08-18T12:05:36.680-07:00Hello, The video is great. I was shot...accidental...Hello, The video is great. I was shot...accidentally at point blank range with a S&W M&P .40Cal full metal jacket. The bullet entered in my right thigh went the groin area (ouch) and stopped near the skin in my outer left thigh. When I realized I had been shot (I was in the sitting position)my body freaked and took off. I went maybe 10 feet and dropped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-82016897465236884582011-08-05T13:22:49.405-07:002011-08-05T13:22:49.405-07:00I've seen people shot damn near point blank wi...I've seen people shot damn near point blank with a .45 walk away from it too...it's not the bullet, it's shot placement. If it hits nothing vital, the offender will either continue his assault, or flee to commit more crimes another day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-16528327574705025272011-02-15T12:16:50.069-08:002011-02-15T12:16:50.069-08:00Sorry,
I don't buy the hype on the .45 being t...Sorry,<br />I don't buy the hype on the .45 being the all powerful bullet to end all.<br />There is NO magic bullet caliber out there.<br />It's been tested time and time again.<br />The myth that the .45 caliber is the one that will stop all comers is a huge one.<br />Using the General Julian Hatcher value system, there isn't much difference between a.45 ACP and a .40 cal. <br /><br />.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1<br /><br />.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7<br /><br />.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4<br /><br />.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4<br /><br />Take note, the .40 FMJ out performs the .45 FMJ<br /><br />You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power.<br />Anything over 55 is just adding recoil to the issue.<br /><br />I'll stick with my Beretta 96 in .40 caliber loaded with 180 grain JHPs.<br /><br />And if you're just wondering, .44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.31idvethttp://1idvet.,comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-20747890217033541432011-02-01T23:22:15.477-08:002011-02-01T23:22:15.477-08:00For the .45 ACP crowd, please, do the math: a .35...For the .45 ACP crowd, please, do the math: a .357 has about 30% more kinetic energy than a .45. It is much more likely to stop the "strut".<br /><br />Formula for kinetic energy of a bullet in foot-pounds is<br /><br />bullet weight in grains x velocity squared divided by 450395. <br /><br />.357 delivers a LOT more punch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-87495742406814391322011-01-02T21:45:37.860-08:002011-01-02T21:45:37.860-08:00To all you disparaging the .45acp based on magazin...To all you disparaging the .45acp based on magazine capacity:<br />My H&K USP fullsize in .45 auto holds 10+1 rnds standard or 12+1 w/ hicap mag.....with that kind of firepower my Beretta 92fs w/ 15rnds of 9mm is obsolete.....AND the H&K weighs the same and is more accurate than the Beretta. Also weighs much less than a lower capacity 1911. <br />There is just no comparison.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06301192961742973503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-86318466849318614442010-10-30T07:45:56.380-07:002010-10-30T07:45:56.380-07:00i remember the shooting by illnois state police, t...i remember the shooting by illnois state police, they had to shoot this guy 32 times. they were issued s&w 59s. the 40 cal is alot like the 44 special. the 10mm is some what over kill and 40 hot loads seem to be on the mark. a doctor in miami fl. shot an intruder with a 40 cal.,one shot stop it stopped just under the skin in his back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-22142360106261721142009-12-26T21:24:56.508-08:002009-12-26T21:24:56.508-08:00i shoot 40 s&w 135 grain hp made by double
-ta...i shoot 40 s&w 135 grain hp made by double<br />-tap 1375 fps / 4"bbl<br />this man would have not moved after being shoot onceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-45346787542643244222009-12-22T20:53:50.426-08:002009-12-22T20:53:50.426-08:00Just got through reading an account of an El Paso ...Just got through reading an account of an El Paso off-duty officer that killed three with a .40 cal handgun. Two died instantly, and the third bled out before medics could render aid. This one was shot in both ARMS. Not central mass as is standard doctrine. From the look of the photos, at least one of the shots fractured the humerus and most probably the brachial artery. I think plenty of anecdotal evidence could verify the lethality of .40 cal when the shots hit the right places.kseanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17749186651404833909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-37879880876871646302009-12-09T23:45:22.877-08:002009-12-09T23:45:22.877-08:00THE BOTTOMLINE...NOTHING BEATS A 45 CALIBER ROUND ...THE BOTTOMLINE...NOTHING BEATS A 45 CALIBER ROUND FOR STOPPING POWER...PERIOD...AND IT WILL SAVE A POLICE OFFICER OR A CIVILIANS LIFE IN THE LONG RUN...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226147984406936526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-2030699290511657612009-11-01T01:32:10.751-08:002009-11-01T01:32:10.751-08:00Ballistically, your statement of "So you’re c...Ballistically, your statement of "So you’re confident that that .40 caliber S&W service round will keep you safe" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. A ..45, 40, 9MM, .38, .22... I personally don't want to get shot by either, as they are all lethal. As I breezed through some of the comments, I can see some real world people making statements of placement and count, some placement (head) OK, you have to do what you have to do in the proper situation, however, I see no ballistics report, on this particular incident, to warrant such a statement. I'm sorry, but if your hit (correctly) with any caliber, your going down (6 ft. down) I dont say this out of "love" of any particular caliber, more so because my father was a deputy coroner, and eventually managed the morgue of the largest county in the US. I've personally seen many fatal gun shot wounds. As far as I can see, the LEO, did his job at stopping a threat. Did this particular individual die later?? Most do to gun shot wounds, as they are wandering around, dripping blood everywhere, in shock, and or high on drugs! People need to get off the caliber trip, get more training, practice "what if" in all aspects of self defense. All gun drawing situations, call for a min. double tap (proper placement is key.. ask any pathologist!)<br /><br />Be safe out there :-) <br /><br />PS.. Placement!! Now go get more training!! LEO's are by far, no exception as yes.. they are people too and are deathly afraid of guns, loosing their life, children, wives and loved ones. Huge mis conception.. law enforcement officers don't go to gun fights, everyday, however they have to go to work everyday like they are.. God Bless you all!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389868578841856612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-25828085728832778012009-08-29T11:49:12.359-07:002009-08-29T11:49:12.359-07:00All we need to remember when faced with a suitable...All we need to remember when faced with a suitable threat is what they taught in the POST Academy, "Failure Drill". Two to center mass, one to the head. If the subject doesn't drop from pressure loss then he'll have one hell of a headache.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-91775065266124293122009-08-04T17:01:32.258-07:002009-08-04T17:01:32.258-07:00Physiologically, no caliber or bullet is certain t...<i>Physiologically, no caliber or bullet is certain to incapacitate any individual unless the brain is hit. Psychologically, some individuals can be incapacitated by minor or small caliber wounds. Those individuals who are stimulated by fear, adrenaline, drugs, alcohol and/or sheer will and survival determination may not be incapacitated even if mortally wounded.</i><br />http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm<br /><br />for the .45 chest beaters:<br />http://www.theshootist.net/2009/01/one-man-got-involved-perry_12.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-55129203149669361332009-06-20T13:59:53.435-07:002009-06-20T13:59:53.435-07:00You americans are sick in the head. Yes, i'd l...You americans are sick in the head. Yes, i'd like to have it bigger too, but unfortunately we have to stick with what nature (or the armory) gave us. :))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19929098.post-21435807101480244052009-03-07T12:45:00.000-08:002009-03-07T12:45:00.000-08:00i advocate killing the suspect.I wish we had more ...i advocate killing the suspect.<BR/>I wish we had more cops like the guys that were in MAGNUM FORCE.<BR/>I advocate use of a flame thrower too. When someone is flaming they wont really want to fight anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com